@balrogboogie I don't know... Wouldn't that be like saying language is bad because capitalists use it for marketing or medicine is bad because capitalists use it to exhort people and pressure governments, or access to water is bad because capitalists use it to power factories and return it polluted? I'd argue the problem is never free and open access- the problem is capitalists.
@pants language: no, because language isn't a product of labor
medicine: no, but the privatization of medicine is
water: no, again because it is not the product of labor
of course capitalists are bad, but these days FOSS is almost entirely controlled by capitalists. there is no FOSS community that isn't driven in part or in total by the wants and needs of corporations, and pretending otherwise does nothing but strengthen that control
@balrogboogie Perhaps we have different working definitions of FOSS. I mean simply access to source code/ shared knowledge. And that software should be free in the same way that the knowledge to make medicine _should_ be free. Are you using it in a more niche sense?
@ajeremias @pants @balrogboogie @nodefunallowed putting software out in the agpl isn't a bad thing in itself. use it if it makes sense to your project. just be aware of the limitations of this approach. if you want to write something that capitalists might want to appropriate, and you want to object to that, try looking into the Anti-Capitalist License, the Cooperative Non-Violent License and other ethics-based licenses.
but licenses alone won't stop them, so the important thing is to keep organising and educating and agitating in other fronts.
@be @ajeremias @pants @balrogboogie it's a great approach, where doable. some stuff you can't stop them from appropriating; the more general a tool (like a kernel), the more useful it can be also for capitalistic purposes. And in many cases capitalists can use strategies like embrace-and-extend – see what Google did with XMPP, Linux (as Android), and KHTML, all originally good tools that people put a lot of volunteer labour to help and empower other people, which they *did*, till the dragons added the treasures to their hoard.
I would say we need diversity of tactics here, try to program things that capitalists can't use or corrupt, put everything under ethically strict licenses, denounce them when they violate the licenses, fight for the narrative, dismantle belief in the system with daily acts of illegalism, organise in online and offline spaces, unionise, do stuff that is not computer stuff.... everybody can contribute something, according to their abilities (^ ~)
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